Moderator,

Thank you very much for your responses. One observation I have had in my set up is that bass is much louder when amplified through the LFE input versus using the speaker level inputs. Even for music playback in direct mode. If I crossover my T1s at 100Hz and use the LFE inputs for everything else, the bass is much more pronounced. In fact, too much unless I turn the dial down to the 9:00 position. Is this a function of the T1s or my receiver?

I plan on purchasing a dedicated pre-amp next and am curious how this may effect my bass settings. I've been under the assumption that it may be a combination of lower gain through the speaker level inputs and my receiver limiting the bass to my towers even though they are set at full range/large. Any insight you may be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. I realize a lot of this is difficult to say for certain with such variety in processors and pre-amps. Thank you very much!

Cheers,

T Cobe

T Cobe wrote: Moderator,

Thank you very much for your responses. One observation I have had in my set up is that bass is much louder when amplified through the LFE input versus using the speaker level inputs. Even for music playback in direct mode. If I crossover my T1s at 100Hz and use the LFE inputs for everything else, the bass is much more pronounced. In fact, too much unless I turn the dial down to the 9:00 position. Is this a function of the T1s or my receiver?

I plan on purchasing a dedicated pre-amp next and am curious how this may effect my bass settings. I've been under the assumption that it may be a combination of lower gain through the speaker level inputs and my receiver limiting the bass to my towers even though they are set at full range/large. Any insight you may be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. I realize a lot of this is difficult to say for certain with such variety in processors and pre-amps. Thank you very much!

Cheers,

T Cobe

Hi, T Cobe

I had a similar experience when I had T2's as fronts and after hooking up LFE, tried both setting the fronts as LARGE, and then setting them as SMALL with a 120 HZ crossover. There was a pronounced increase in bass in stereo mode, fronts only with the fronts set as SMALL and all the 120 HZ and down bass going to the fronts via the LFE channel. I assumed the receiver must have been doing some bass rolloff when feeding the fronts as LARGE and was more willing to feed full bass as a pre-out to a sub/LFE channel.

Rick

Thanks, Rick. Are you experiencing the same results with the T1s or did switching up to NAD resolve the issue. I suspect my receiver is the culprit but want to see if this is typical. To make sure I'm clear, it's not a problem or complaint. With my dial at 13:30 for stereo reproduction, everything sounds great and for movies I have my LFE turned down -9 dB. I'm just curious if a pre-amp with no roll off will change things significantly or if the gain using speaker level inputs for the subs will be lower based on the design. In either case, I get plenty of bass and have room to spare.

Cheers,

T Cobe

Rick and T. Cobe,

As you accumulate additional receivers and amplifiers, you have the option to try additional combinations. One luxury I have available is to dedicate an older receiver exclusively to driving my Paradigm sub. If I should so choose, I could dedicate yet another older receiver to accept the sub-out signals from my Onkyo and send them to my Triton One LFE inputs. Such an arrangement would provide convenient bass level control for different playback modes. I am not currently planning to implement this step because I am happy with my current Triton Ones LFE control set to minimum for both LFE movie sounds and analog bass music.

Based upon T. Cobe's description of his LFE setup, I think he and I essentially have a "two sides of the same coin" approach. T. Cobe's Triton One LFE control setting is 13 for music bass, but he must then roll off his amplifier LFE setting to minus 9 db to avoid having too much movie bass. My approach uses the Triton One's LFE input for both music and movies. I must set my Triton Ones LFE control to minimum for good music bass, but I do not have to roll off my receiver LFE setting for movies.

In an earlier thread, I believe that the Moderator stated that at Minimum Gain setting, the Triton One LFE amplifier should have no gain and, if I remember correctly, he also said that, at Minimum Gain, there should essentially be no contribution from the LFE amplifier in the One. But, in my setup, there is plenty of bass being emitted by my Ones with the gain control set to Minimum. Perhaps I have not correctly understood the Moderator's comments in that earlier thread.

In any case, I am enjoying listening to my Ones.

Best,

Art

T Cobe wrote: Thanks, Rick. Are you experiencing the same results with the T1s or did switching up to NAD resolve the issue. I suspect my receiver is the culprit but want to see if this is typical. To make sure I'm clear, it's not a problem or complaint. With my dial at 13:30 for stereo reproduction, everything sounds great and for movies I have my LFE turned down -9 dB. I'm just curious if a per-amp with no roll off will change things significantly or if the gain using speaker level inputs for the subs will be lower based on the design. In either case, I get plenty of bass and have room to spare.

Cheers,

T Cobe

Hi, T Cobe

When I added the NAD 2 channel amp to feed the fronts and switched the NAD AVR to pre-out to the external amp for the fronts, I got a boost in bass to the T2's also, even in LARGE setting. It further led me to believe the receiver is shy about pushing full bass to LARGE speakers through it's own amps, but more willing to supply full bass as a pre-out to a fronts external amp, sub external amp, whatever. So, yes, I viewed it as a receiver issue in my case, and only when used to supply the amping, not when used as a pre-out. At that point with the external amp in place for the fronts , I went back to LARGE setting for the fronts.

With the set-up I have now (T1's in front), with the NAD AVR feeding the front T1's through the NAD front external amp from the front pre-out, and the AVR and it's amp feeding the rear T2's directly, I have every bit as much bass as I could want, and have kept the setting for the T1's and T2's in LARGE. I had assumed that the T1's, being powered by an external amp, were getting full bass. I could try a SMALL setting with 100 HZ crossover there, just to see. That will have to wait until I get back to TX in Sept. I'll let you know then what if anything I hear for a difference.

Rick

Thanks to all for the complete and considered replies. I apologise if any offence was taken, certainly none was meant.

To clarify, I wasn't interested in the specific technical details of the DSP engine, I was trying to ensure best bang-for-the-buck in my power amp purchase by understanding whether better bass in = better bass out, or average bass in = better bass out. This helps me narrow the list of contenders.

I think the answer is the former, which is what I'd expect given the philosophy and technology behind the T1's.

Cheers