WayneWilmeth wrote: Yeah, Moderator Dude, it was not right.
But these are not receivers, they are only processors, with external amps providing the power, at least mine was and I THINK that is what Richd has too.

Sorry, this is with a Marantz Pre/Pro? We've used the big Marantz Pre/Pro at trade shows, it did not exhibit this behavior.

To be clear, a pair of Triton Twos playing full range stereo music should have TONS of bass at the 12 o'clock setting. We have many users on this forum that own or owned Triton Twos in a two channel system and will agree they are a full range speaker and not lacking in bass in anyway. (I think our forum regular anthem had Triton Twos for years and will attest to this fact.) And that includes me too, when i had Triton Twos in my 2ch system I measured room flat bass to 24Hz and they POUNDED. Switching to a movie playback scenario is different, yes, but should not require an adjusting of anything in a properly setup and functioning system. GoldenEar demos music and movies at trade shows without any issues. Not enough bass for music and too much for movies just doesn't jive with a properly setup and functioning system.

WayneWilmeth wrote: Richd,
I had the exact same problem with a Marantz AV 7705.
The only way I could get enough bass was with the LFE connected and setting LFE+Main. Even though everyone said not to, that was the ONLY setting where there was anywhere near enough bass.
Got rid of the Marantz, got a bigger sub and everything is fine now.
God Bless,
Wayne

Hi Wayne,
What Prepro did you get after the Marantz. I purchased this unit (AV 7703) based on "reviews" and also because it was the second best Pre-pro that Marantz made at the time (last year) - AV8802 was considered the best but at almost twice the price of the 7703.
I had a sat/sub system before I purchased the Tritons and never had a problem like I am having now. I am probably going to consider a purchase of a separate sub because I cannot afford to replace the Marantz or the GEs.
Unfortunately my budget will not allow me to do this since my retirement and no replaceable income stream to support my AV habit.
Thanks everyone for all your input and help - Rich

Moderator wrote:

WayneWilmeth wrote: Yeah, Moderator Dude, it was not right.
But these are not receivers, they are only processors, with external amps providing the power, at least mine was and I THINK that is what Richd has too.

Sorry, this is with a Marantz Pre/Pro? We've used the big Marantz Pre/Pro at trade shows, it did not exhibit this behavior.

To be clear, a pair of Triton Twos playing full range stereo music should have TONS of bass at the 12 o'clock setting. We have many users on this forum that own or owned Triton Twos in a two channel system and will agree they are a full range speaker and not lacking in bass in anyway. (I think our forum regular anthem had Triton Twos for years and will attest to this fact.) And that includes me too, when i had Triton Twos in my 2ch system I measured room flat bass to 24Hz and they POUNDED. Switching to a movie playback scenario is different, yes, but should not require an adjusting of anything in a properly setup and functioning system. GoldenEar demos music and movies at trade shows without any issues. Not enough bass for music and too much for movies just doesn't jive with a properly setup and functioning system.

Hi Moderator,
Do you know of anyone you can recommend in the Phoenix area that has the expertise and measuring equipment to check (and hopefully) correct my system, or at least find out what is deficient such as room conditions, settings, connections, etc.? I contacted the one GE dealer here in Phoenix (Jerry's Audio Video) some time back, but they didn't give me any confidence that they were capable of measuring and correcting things like this. They never even mentioned measurements and equipment at all. They quoted an hourly price to come out and "look" at my system and settings but I would expect more that that for a service call.

Hi Richd, I will forward your request to the GoldenEar regional sales guy in that area. If no local dealer can help, maybe even he could stop by next time he is in Phoenix area doing his dealer visits.

Moderator wrote: Hi Richd, I will forward your request to the GoldenEar regional sales guy in that area. If no local dealer can help, maybe even he could stop by next time he is in Phoenix area doing his dealer visits.

Thanks Moderator, any help is greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Richd,

I have just finished reading through the threads in this post. At the risk of possibly just confusing the issue, I am going to offer you some thoughts based upon my rather extensive experience working with my system after I added Triton Ones as my main speakers.

When I added the Tritons over a year age, I was using an Onkyo 9.2 channel AV Receiver as my main unit for both music and home theater. My initial connection approach was to connect the front "A" speaker outputs to the Tritons and connect the Onkyo's 2 sub outs to the Tritons' LFE inputs. At that time I was using CD players to provide music and a separate DVD player for movies. The CD players were connected to Onkyo analog inputs while the DVD player was connected via HDMI to the Onkyo. Initially, I set the Tritons LFE controls to the mid-point (12 o'clock).

When I watched a movie, there was plenty of bass. Music bass was tonal, but thin and not pleasing to me. My Onkyo offers a Double Bass ON option for all listening options plus a separate Analog Bass ON option when listening to music in either Pure or Pure Direct Modes. With either of these options turned ON, the bass went from too thin to much more than enough.

My strong preference was and is, listening to music, so I left the Double Bass/Analog Bass settings ON and backed way off on the Tritons' LFE control setting until I found a setting which I thought was the best compromise. Even at minimum LFE control settings, I had enough analog bass for my music and still had plenty for movies (for my taste anyway). Note that we do not often watch action movies - English mysteries, dramas, etc. are our preferred video outings so movie bass is probably not as important to us as it might be to others.

Over a number of months of experimenting, reporting upon my experiments in this GE Forum, and getting excellent advice from other forum participants, I gradually came to the conclusion that, since my primary interest is music (mostly classical, but also jazz, big band, standards), I was probably never going to be happy with my Onkyo as the primary two-channel sound source. After a bit of research into integrated 2-channel amps and with due considerations to budget constraints, I decided to purchase a Cambridge Audio 851A stereo amp.

I connected the Cambridge to the Tritons speaker inputs. The first time I heard music from one of my favorite classical CDs played through the Cambridge, I was astounded at the difference in overall sound. The music just sparkled, when compared to the Onkyo. But, the Cambridge did not significantly alter the bass content. The Cambridge has an audio-level preamp output as well as an audio line level output. I experimented with both of these outputs by connecting them to the Triton's LFE inputs - essentially adding Double Bass from the Cambridge. Connecting the line level output provided much the same extra bass experience as when the Onkyo was in play. However, connecting the preamp output was a different story - because the signal level emanating from the preamp output varies with the Cambridge's volume control setting. This capability causes much more subtle bass additions than a fixed line-level output. The result was additional bass, but without losing the bass tonal quality and without overloading the bass content.

I have had my Triton Ones for close to 2 years now, so the experimenting I have described above has proceeded over an extended period of time - during which I have tried all sorts of combinations and have discussed those with folks on this forum.

During this period, I also made the mammoth decision to rip all of my music CDs into lossless FLAC files and to store those files on a dedicated 3 TB hard drive so that I could play all of my music from my laptop, using Windows-based software to store, categorize, and play the files. With this approach in play, I now needed a good quality external DAC to replace the basic DAC resident within my laptop. Once again, the music blossomed when the files were converted by the external DAC, as compared to their sound from the laptop DAC.

The result of all of this is that I am now playing music from FLAC files via a program called MusicBee resident in my Toshiba Windows-10 laptop, which sends a digital signal via USB to my Cambridge DAC Magic Plus DAC which, in turn, sends analog stereo signals to my Cambridge 851A Integrated Stereo Amp. which sends speaker-level signals to my Triton Ones speaker inputs, while the Cambridge 851A's preamp output sends analog signals to the two Triton One LFE inputs.

My Onkyo is totally out of the music path (except to provide an optional Surround channel for music I I choose to turn it on, but that feature is not a part of this discussion). I have a totally separate 7.2 channel setup for movies, including dedicated external subs for movies.

I do not know the capabilities of your Marantz unit, but it appears to me that, from what I have read in this post, you can achieve much of the same result with the gear you have. I don't think you need to engage in room measurements to achieve satisfactory results. Nor, do I think that you should end up having to constantly reset your Triton LFE controls between movies and music.

There are probably a number of optional setups you can try with what you have. Do make sure that you thoroughly understand what is happening within your Marantz under various setup options and in various playback modes. I am still learning new stuff about my Onkyo's capabilities (and limitations) and about what it can and cannot do with different types of input signals. It has also required several thorough readings of my Cambridge manual to fully grasp its capabilities. All of this reading and learning for a retired Electronics Engineer!

I will be please to help you if I can, if there are aspects of your setup options with which you are not comfortable. We can converse on this forum or, if need be, via separate emails and/or telecons.

Best,

Art