Sounds like some of you need to do some studying on multi-channel audio and bass management.

LFE is a separate channel, has nothing to do with bass from any other channels. When setting fronts to "Large", the LFE channel is the ONLY signal present on the sub-out connector and that signal is not delivered anywhere else (unless some "double bass" type thing has been wrongly selected). The suggested setup is the only setup we recommend for best results in a typical home theater system with a typical AVR. Some owners are enjoying experimenting with other setups, and that's great, but we cannot make any comment on the sonic results, as they are now, really, anybody's guess.

Moderator wrote: Sounds like some of you need to do some studying on multi-channel audio and bass management.

LFE is a separate channel, has nothing to do with bass from any other channels. When setting fronts to "Large", the LFE channel is the ONLY signal present on the sub-out connector and that signal is not delivered anywhere else (unless some "double bass" type thing has been wrongly selected). The suggested setup is the only setup we recommend for best results in a typical home theater system with a typical AVR. Some owners are enjoying experimenting with other setups, and that's great, but we cannot make any comment on the sonic results, as they are now, really, anybody's guess.

Yeah, I've been fed inaccurate info from various forums about how the LFE signal gets added to the regular speaker lines for those speakers set to large and when Sub is set to no.

Good to know now!

Okay, we've talked in a lot of circles here and I may even be a bit confused by now. Let's make sure we're all on the same page. With the front main speakers set to large/full and the sub on your receiver set to yes, only LFE will be sent through the subwoofer cable to the LFE on the powered towers. If you set your receiver to no subwoofer, your receiver will attempt to send the low frequency effects through the speakers level inputs because you've told your system there is no subwoofer. The key here is to make sure your systems is set to sub yes to route LFE to the sub section of the powered towers.

Double bass, as I understand it, will take the low frequency effects and send it through the subs and speakers. In other words, the low frequency effects will play through the subs and main speakers. Now that I try to explain it, it does get complicated.

Bottom line, set your Triton powered towers to full and sub setting to yes in your receiver while running both speaker wires and LFE/sub cables and your good to go. Leave all of the enhanced settings off. This should be your baseline. From there, you can experiment with what sounds best to your ear, in your room, with your system. Make sense? I hope I didn't muddy the water even more.

Cheers,

T Cobe

T Cobe wrote: Okay, we've talked in a lot of circles here and I may even be a bit confused by now. Let's make sure we're all on the same page. With the front main speakers set to large/full and the sub on your receiver set to yes, only LFE will be sent through the subwoofer cable to the LFE on the powered towers. If you set your receiver to no subwoofer, your receiver will attempt to send the low frequency effects through the speakers level inputs because you've told your system there is no subwoofer. The key here is to make sure your systems is set to sub yes to route LFE to the sub section of the powered towers.

Double bass, as I understand it, will take the low frequency effects and send it through the subs and speakers. In other words, the low frequency effects will play through the subs and main speakers. Now that I try to explain it, it does get complicated.

Bottom line, set your Triton powered towers to full and sub setting to yes in your receiver while running both speaker wires and LFE/sub cables and your good to go. Leave all of the enhanced settings off. This should be your baseline. From there, you can experiment with what sounds best to your ear, in your room, with your system. Make sense? I hope I didn't muddy the water even more.

Cheers,

T Cobe

Hi, T Ccobe

Well said! That is exactly as I understand it.

Moderator Dude, please feel free to further expand on the subject. But, as I understand it, the LFE (sub out) and the Large channels are totally separate, one for normal bass sent to whatever channels are set as Large, and one for sub-out, .1 LFE channels. In a more (typical?) set-up, where there would not be be powered subs built into towers, the normal bass would all go to any channels set as Large, and any sub LFE would go to freestanding sub(s). What's different about powered towers is that BOTH the normal bass and .1 channel LFE bass can be sent to Triton towers, but unless "enhanced bass" is set, there is no doubling up. It's just that powered Triton towers can do the job of both Large speakers and otherwise separate subs.

I do believe that dual function is what confounds some sub EQ processes, especially AUDYSSEY, that try to do the EQ'ing as though there were separate Large fronts and freestanding subs.

Thanks, T Cobe, for further refining a subject that seems to cause a lot of discussion!

Rick

So, theoretically, the following 2 configurations should be the same in terms of the "total signal" that is sent to the Tritons:

1) Large speakers + Yes Sub w/ LFE output used
2) Large speakers + No Sub w/ no LFE output used

But, it sounds like in #2, most receivers actually clip or filter out some of the LFE signal when "blending" it into the regular L/R outputs, which is why most Triton owners are having better results by using #1.

Does that sound about right?

KimchiHo wrote: So, theoretically, the following 2 configurations should be the same in terms of the "total signal" that is sent to the Tritons:

1) Large speakers + Yes Sub w/ LFE output used
2) Large speakers + No Sub w/ no LFE output used

But, it sounds like in #2, most receivers actually clip or filter out some of the LFE signal when "blending" it into the regular L/R outputs, which is why most Triton owners are having better results by using #1.

Does that sound about right?

Hi, KimchiHO

Yes, you are onto something there. I wouldn't say ALL receivers roll off LFE bass sent to a front speaker set as Large without a separate sub, but it does appear that lots do, maybe for fear of otherwise overloading the receiver or damaging the speakers.

That is the primary reason I installed LFE leads to my fronts awhile ago, to get more bass sent to my fronts, and also why I installed a stereo amp for the fronts, to also get full bass.

I have since switched to a Marantz SR 7010, which seems to have no problems sending full bass to the fronts, so it does vary with different receivers. I guess I'd say the safest set-up is Large fronts plus LFE connected, "in case".


Rick