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10 years 3 months ago
Winefix wrote: I am thinking the XL center is too small for that set up.
TJ
That is simply not correct. In what way is the SuperCenter XL in your setup "too small"? And what does screen size have to do with the size of the center speaker? This post is nonsense. If you are not happy with the SuperCenter's performance than you setup your system wrong or something is wrong with your system. Ask your dealer for help, or read the manuals again. Or go through the suggestions on this forum, including Sandy's setup tips on our website.
And just to clarify further, with an appropriate crossover setting, the SuperCenter (either) will play every bit as loud as a pair of Triton Twos OR Ones, with the stereo subwoofers in the Tritons reproducing the center channel bass below the appropriate crossover frequency. Beyond that, full range centers are never preferred for dialog intelligibility reasons. Every large center speaker I have ever used sounded best with at least an 80Hz crossover (which meant the 40-80Hz response that required BIG $ and a BIG box, that no one wants in their theater room, were a total waste). And from a "mix" standpoint, deep bass should not be in the center to begin with (and rarely is, in a properly produced movie soundtrack). There is no better center for a Triton-based theater than the SuperCenter, any other choice would be a sonic mistake.
We may introduce a slightly larger center in the future, but it will not be intended as a full range speaker nor will it have a built-in powered woofer. It will simply be intended to handle more power and provide better dynamics at its lowest frequencies at its maximum output.
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10 years 3 months ago
Moderator,
With all due respect, If my post is nonsense, why may GE be introducing a "slightly larger" center in the future?
My screen is 175" (diagonal) and is 235:1 aspect ratio and so I made a mistake using swapping out my very large ML Stage for the super center XL.
I love the speaker, and it will sonically be a perfect match for the Ones, but for my particular setup it is too small. The performance is amazing, but I just can't get the center soundstage as large or as pronounced as the they way I like to set them up.
I am an custom builder/installer- BTW with dozens of theaters under my belt, so not my first rodeo. I do not rep GE, but like the products so much that I use them in my personal system. That should tell you something (Maggies and ML are gone)
We may agree to disagree on this one, but I think the Supercenter XL might be perfect for most Triton tower based systems, but my particular setup / room, I will await your next center channel product down the road, and in the mean time replace the back surrounds with some more Tritons !!, (probably the twos)
Thanks as always for you input.
TJ
With all due respect, If my post is nonsense, why may GE be introducing a "slightly larger" center in the future?
My screen is 175" (diagonal) and is 235:1 aspect ratio and so I made a mistake using swapping out my very large ML Stage for the super center XL.
I love the speaker, and it will sonically be a perfect match for the Ones, but for my particular setup it is too small. The performance is amazing, but I just can't get the center soundstage as large or as pronounced as the they way I like to set them up.
I am an custom builder/installer- BTW with dozens of theaters under my belt, so not my first rodeo. I do not rep GE, but like the products so much that I use them in my personal system. That should tell you something (Maggies and ML are gone)
We may agree to disagree on this one, but I think the Supercenter XL might be perfect for most Triton tower based systems, but my particular setup / room, I will await your next center channel product down the road, and in the mean time replace the back surrounds with some more Tritons !!, (probably the twos)
Thanks as always for you input.
TJ
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The answer to that question is much more involved.
Home theaters are, from our perspective, rooms in a home with screens in the 60-120" range. We make products for home theaters and home music systems. They are not for sound reinforcement (also called PA's). They are not for auditoriums. We have no perspective on the application of our products in those environments. In a home, your comments do not apply. In your original post, I did not know the scale.
But even given that, large centers only play more bass, they don't make a bigger soundfield or do anything else bigger or better, they just make more bass. Period. To imply anything else is misguiding the uninitiated, something we want to avoid here.
Home theaters are, from our perspective, rooms in a home with screens in the 60-120" range. We make products for home theaters and home music systems. They are not for sound reinforcement (also called PA's). They are not for auditoriums. We have no perspective on the application of our products in those environments. In a home, your comments do not apply. In your original post, I did not know the scale.
But even given that, large centers only play more bass, they don't make a bigger soundfield or do anything else bigger or better, they just make more bass. Period. To imply anything else is misguiding the uninitiated, something we want to avoid here.
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10 years 3 months ago
Presently I run the M&K S150 (fronts) and S250 tripoles as my rears - this gives a big performance. I tried some Triton 2's in my system and I must say that there was truly a nice "pop" with regard to image and soundstage. There were some trade-offs here and there but very possibly would improve if I were to spend more time with proper setup as well as continuing the Tritons as rears.
I want to focus on the rears for a moment. Moderator, would it be better to run the Triton One's or the Triton Seven's as rears? I am not sure how much bass info is directed to the rears and wonder if the extra cost of the subs in the Triton Ones would be wasted??? Plus, the second row is raised about 16" which would put the Seven's closer to ear level (if that maters).
Thanks for the input,
Mark
I want to focus on the rears for a moment. Moderator, would it be better to run the Triton One's or the Triton Seven's as rears? I am not sure how much bass info is directed to the rears and wonder if the extra cost of the subs in the Triton Ones would be wasted??? Plus, the second row is raised about 16" which would put the Seven's closer to ear level (if that maters).
Thanks for the input,
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10 years 3 months ago
Speaker size is one of those debateable things, like Planar vs box speakers, BMW vs Mercedes, etc..
One of the very best center speaker channel set ups I have even heard was from a famous planar speaker company using their very large speaker (60" long x 24" wide) placed sideways in a large HT set up (150 " screen 16x9 in this case) Vocals were massively large, and perfectly matched in size and weight to that large screen size, but because of problematic placement issues inherant to planar design, this only worked for a narrow sweet spot in the seating area.
Great if you live alone, not so great for having 15 people over for movie night.
I am simply trying to achive that sense of scale but for my entire seating area, and so I need a larger center to pair with the T1's for my individual set up.
One of the very best center speaker channel set ups I have even heard was from a famous planar speaker company using their very large speaker (60" long x 24" wide) placed sideways in a large HT set up (150 " screen 16x9 in this case) Vocals were massively large, and perfectly matched in size and weight to that large screen size, but because of problematic placement issues inherant to planar design, this only worked for a narrow sweet spot in the seating area.
Great if you live alone, not so great for having 15 people over for movie night.
I am simply trying to achive that sense of scale but for my entire seating area, and so I need a larger center to pair with the T1's for my individual set up.
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There is some personal taste involved in the rears regarding height. You might want to consider mounting them on risers to raise them up a bit.
If you listen to movies, it is debatable whether anything beyond the Sevens would be worthwhile, since BIG low bass energy is directed to the LFE track to be reproduced by the subs (built-in or outboard). If its a really big room (or you want rock concert volumes, or both) and you want to take advantage of more powered subs in the room, Triton Twos or Ones would allow this additional benefit.
If you listen to movies, it is debatable whether anything beyond the Sevens would be worthwhile, since BIG low bass energy is directed to the LFE track to be reproduced by the subs (built-in or outboard). If its a really big room (or you want rock concert volumes, or both) and you want to take advantage of more powered subs in the room, Triton Twos or Ones would allow this additional benefit.
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