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stereo5 Posted 9 years 9 months ago
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Yes, seriously. My amplifier manufacturer gave the complete specs for the product including rms output. On a five thousand dollar pair of speakers, it isn't asking too much for the complete specs, regardless of your thoughts and interpretations of the subject. When I bought the speakers, I assumed that the output to the subs was 1600 class D watts per speaker. So yes, it is important to me to know the true specs weather they really matter or not.. Short burst power in milliseconds is important, but that does not make the amps a 1600 watt amps. My power amp is 165 per channel and can put out 100 amps peak per channel. That doesn't mean it can output 1000 peak watts. The reason RMS power is used today is because many manufacturers in the early years way overblew the power specs on their equipment, mostly quoting peak watts (just like Golden Ear), so the RMS method was adopted telling the true output into a certain load and at a certain distortion over the entire audio band. IMHO, the 1600 watt spec is more a marketing tool for Golden Ear.
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Sorry, you are way confused here. First of all, apples to oranges, this has absolutely nothing to do with amplifier ratings of receiver/power amps for connecting to anyone's speakers. Subwoofer amp power cannot be independently checked like your amplifier's or receiver's, so sub manufacturers can say whatever they want and there is absolutely no reference and no verification possible. That's besides the fact that the wattage rating on the Tritons (and any subwoofer) has absolutely nothing to do with their bass performance in and of itself. If you want to know about their bass performance either listen, or read the professional reviewers' comments. Using the specs on the amplifier wattage of the subwoofer to make a purchase decision is misguided. You can compare it to nothing. Sandy could have rated the amp at 2500 watts, that would be a typical marketing spec for someone's idea of a peak rating.

And I don't have interpretations, I have 40+ years technical experience in the audio industry. You can pretty much take what I say as fact, debate all you want but I am never wrong about this stuff. People come here for advice/comments from users and an expert opinion from the company, not interpretations.

Buying by specs for products one listens to is perfect for the Best Buy and Amazon audio gear shopper. If one buys products based on meaningless specs they will absolutely make terrible decisions.
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stereo5 Posted 9 years 9 months ago
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You are making an assumption, as I listened to the speakers extensively at Audio Concepts in Attleboro, Mass and liked them enough to buy them there. Secondly, I have over 40 years experience in high end audio and I sold and repaired audio from the early 70's to 1985. I am an electrical engineer by trade and I hold a Masters Degree in Electrical Engineering. So, I do know a little something about audio.

My present 2 channel only audio system approaches the 40K mark including the Triton Ones and I listened extensively to every piece of equipment I purchased, many in my own home. I find it a little insulting the way you spoke to me as aren't you supposed to be an extension of the manufacturer? It would have been much easier if you had just given me the spec I asked for without going into your tirade and in retrospect, I wouldn't have bothered to keep this going had you done that.

You are correct about sub amps being much different since they are only reproducing the lowest notes, but it is the way you said it that makes me call you out on it. And you being never wrong sounds just like my dad used to say: "I may not always be right, but I am NEVER wrong". You are correct in that anyone who buys by specs will probably be disappointed. I only wanted to know the rms rating because you gave the Triton Twos rms rating and I was wondering how much different the rating would be for the Triton Ones.

I will not get into a shouting match with the Moderator, so I will not say another word on this subject. Happy listening.
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OK, agreed, that was a little terse, sorry. It was intended more for other readers than you, actually, as you will only read it once and it will be seen by many others over time. I was trying to protect others from bad decision making by specs. I never assumed you didn't listen, just mentioning that was the best way to evaluate in this particular case (bass performance).

The difference I was referring to was the fact that your power amp (or receiver) can go on a test bench and can be tested to a specific standard (like rms power and distortion at a given power over a given frequency range). This absolutely allows for an apples to apples comparison (mostly) of amplifier power, which absolutely cannot be done with subwoofer amplifiers. That was my one and only real point to the specs comparing aspects of the conversation.

My dad used to say that too, now that you mention it. But, I will tell you, I am wrong about lots of things, but never about audio stuff (if I don't know, I won't say, or guess, which helps keeps my string intact).
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