Dear T Cobe.. Thanks for replying and guiding me such well. I have decided to stay with the sat 3 for now and in future i will buy Aon3 and move back the sats for surround back. As far as EQ is concerned , yes i am using YPAO recomended EQ but after bit of changes like Converting Fronts and Centre from LARGE to SMALL. And Crossover from 160 Hz to 100 Hz. SO actually I am using the YPAO for equalization only to which i am satisfied to much extent. Ypao set the distance of my subwoofer at 6Ft actuallty it is besides the front R speaker which is about 16 Ft far from main sitting possition. So should i change it to the original distance or is this some kind of phase matching?

As regard to B&W, So you are saying that CM 10 is equaivalent to Triton seven? And if price wise we compare then Cm10 is no where near to Goldenear triton 2?? Is this what u r trying to say? if yes then u will lit up the war between me and my friend .lol. . J.K

Yes i also think that my yammy has been doing the great job driving these units all i need is just the tweakings which i am doing since the last night. How many difference i will feel if i upgrade my receiver to Power/Pre? It would be like night and day or just some improvement?

ArthurDaniels wrote: Hello Umer,

I have downloaded the manual for your Yamaha Receiver. Following are some suggestions for you to try:

1. When listening to music, try the Pure Direct listening mode (Page 45 in your manual). Also consider the Straight Mode (Page 44).

2. Assuming you have your Force Field 5 Sub connected to the Yamaha Sub Pre Out: Review the manual to see if there is a setting that allows the sub to be operational when the Amp is in the Pure Direct Mode.

3. Consider using a second pre-amplifier or Receiver to drive the Force Field 5 sub woofer. Using a second pre-amp or Receiver will allow you to independently adjust the volume level of the Force Field 5 Sub and might allow you to independently set the cross-over for the Force Field 5.

Setting up an AV Receiver such as your Yamaha is complicated because there are many options. Be sure to read your Yamaha manual completely so that you are sure you understand the options available to you.

I recommend not using the Yamaha room-correction process and I recommend turning the Yamaha Equalizer OFF for best music. I do not have recommendations for best movie setup because I watch so few movies with my system.

I believe you can achieve a high level of audio satisfaction with your present equipment, but you will have to be willing to experiment with the options available to you to determine best sound settings.

Regards,

Art

Thank you for taking such time and doing the research. Yes you are 100 % right. After room correction software, Movies seems to Play nice but in Music it is not that good. So in my receiver they have the memory option for different settings . In one memory i made my fronts , centres and surrounds to small and cross overs to 100HZ with equalization on. This is my movie mode. In second memory i made my Fronts to large with equalization off for music listening. In some stages i use pure direct , its very good but somehow it effects the image which i get beautifully from the STRAIGHT mode.

In pure direct and STRAIGHT mode, my subwoofer is off. I was actually going to ask this question also that can i use the subwoofer during the stereo listening or not?

murphyslaw1978 wrote: Ypao and other room correction software on many of these AVRs are quite good. But as you can tell some 2-channel folks here have pointed out that better sound can be had by running pure direct and setting things up manually. If you have the time, do both. If you just want it to work, and don't have the time, the YPAO will probably take care of much of the room modes issue. That said, I would tune everything manually first - set your crossovers and levels, find the speaker positions, seating positions, etc. When it sounds good, save your settings and then run YPAO and see if it's better.

Finally, I didn't mention it in the past, but B&W make some really excellent speakers. I would try listen to both pairs before you buy either if you can, and in the same room. I'm guessing the differences would be minimal between the two on paper, but people have preferences, and you may like one over the other.

Everythin i can set manually with the help of SPL meter, Levels, distance etc. But the real problem i am facing is the correction of EQ according to room accoustics. In which i am not pro. In stereo music the room Eq is not required as much as in movies.. SO i generally off the EQ during music listening. Is there any site from which i can learn the setting of Eq manually according to room accoustics?

And yes i also appreciate the B&w speakers,, But the beautiful tweeter of goldenear is the reason i bought them.

Umer,

Glad you're getting things locked in. I'm sure you will get everything sounding great with a little trial and error. I would try direct and straight mode with and without your sub and see which you prefer. It really is a matter of preference.

Regarding the CM10 comparison, that is also a matter of preference. When I auditioned the B&W versus GolenEar, the CM10 was a nice sounding speaker. The external tweeter design by B&W is good and competes well against the HVFR tweeter but the CM10 is in the price range of the Triton Two which is much better than the CM10, IMHO. The 623 just didn't sound nearly as good to me. I would choose my Aon 3s over the 623s but I like the neutral sound of GET. B&W is too recessed sounding for me. Their 623 speakers sound boxy and lack clarity to me but to come full circle, this is all about personal preference. You and your friend may just have to agree to disagree.

A separate amp and processor can certainly improve sound but you quickly reach a point of diminishing returns. It would be best to audition your speakers with an amp at your local dealer to see if the difference is worth the cost to you. A good AVR may be all you need.

Good luck getting all your settings locked in. Let us know how you get on. Happy listening!

Cheers,

T Cobe

Hi Umer,
I am glad to see you are getting so much good help.
I totally agree about the tweeter, the HVFR that GoldenEar has, and that is why I said I am biased, I think most B&W speakers sound like music playing out of a BOX until you get into the REALLY expensive ones. Most everyone else's speakers sound like that to me, that is why I bought so many GEt speakers.
When you run YPAO, is the same as other receiver's have Audyssey room correction. It will give you distances and settings and tell you your speakers are LARGE (even when they are not, to make you feel better). You asked a good question, YES go in and change the settings to the right ones, SMALL speakers with sub set to YES. And I would try 80 Hz crossover myself. Don't get me wrong, I love the Triton 7s, and I have one pair that I play as LARGE, because they do not have a sub with them. They are great for smaller musical events. But for rock or big classical music or just about everything except female vocals, solo piano, small jazz groups, or chamber music, I ALWAYS play music with my other system where I can play my FF5 sub with the music. And movies, OF course you need a sub.
As for reading about room correction, there is TONS of info on the net, but it confuses the heck outta me and I have been playing with this stuff for a LONG time. I would Keep It Simple.
You will do great, you are asking the right questions and this is the place to ask them.
God Bless,
Wayne

Umer Hameed wrote:

murphyslaw1978 wrote: Ypao and other room correction software on many of these AVRs are quite good. But as you can tell some 2-channel folks here have pointed out that better sound can be had by running pure direct and setting things up manually. If you have the time, do both. If you just want it to work, and don't have the time, the YPAO will probably take care of much of the room modes issue. That said, I would tune everything manually first - set your crossovers and levels, find the speaker positions, seating positions, etc. When it sounds good, save your settings and then run YPAO and see if it's better.

Finally, I didn't mention it in the past, but B&W make some really excellent speakers. I would try listen to both pairs before you buy either if you can, and in the same room. I'm guessing the differences would be minimal between the two on paper, but people have preferences, and you may like one over the other.

Is there any site from which i can learn the setting of Eq manually according to room accoustics?.

You can just Google "room modes" and find a ton of info out there. Here's a good starting point: www.acousticfrontiers.com/room-modes-101/