Thanks to all. I think we are all coming to the conclusion that there can be bass roll-off in addition to LFE roll-off when front speakers are set to large with no sub on in avr's.

For the moderator: the AVR does not have a bypass mode. I have ordered a 2 channel amp that I'll use to power the fronts in the future. I'll be interested to see if the receiver stops rolling off bass in stereo mode once the receiver is relieved of amping the fronts and just sending a pre out signal to the new amp.

For Wayne: I too have my subs set at 10:00 in the T2's. I tried higher bass settings, but couldn't increase DEEP bass until I made the LFE/sub on hook-up. I got too much mid bass and no increase in deep bass. Now, the 10:00 setting is about perfect. And yes, I agree that a pre amp/amp set-up set-up delivers great bass in T2's. That was the set-up on the T2's that I originally heard that sold me on getting them.

I'm enjoying my newfound bass in my system, and looking forward to trying an amp for the fronts, and just maybe that will boost bass in stereo mode also.

Rick

Wow! UPDATE. This goes against most of what I've learned... I have been trying to get the "STEREO" channel to produce the bass I've heard in sub on, multi channel settings since I connected LFE and turned sub on. I've tried "analog bypass", "direct" (all listener mode settings on "none", which is NAD's way of sending the signal direct), and nothing has increased the bass in stereo mode. I tried "analog bypass", and then changing all the the listening modes to "none" (NAD's recommendation for listening in "direct" mode), and NOTHING increased bass to appropriate levels
And then I decided to revisit the AUDYSSEY settings recommended when I insatalled the LFE with sub on, and replaced the center Sat 50c with a Supercenter XL. AUDYSSEY wanted me to do two things:
1- change the center setting from 120 HZ to 70 HZ (which I did)
2- Change the front T2's from LARGE to small, 120 HZ crossover, unlike the "LARGE setting AUDYSSEY recommended with sub off) (very close to the internal sub crossover on the T2's). I didn't do this, based on Sandy's set-up tips to always leave the fronts on LARGE.. I changed the fronts back to LARGE.

And then, just for the heck of it, I tried setting up the fronts like the NAD/AUDYSSEY wanted with sub on (small/120 HZ crossover, sub on). VOILA!! Bass is back in stereo mode! It seems the NAD AVR and the T2's are communicating! The NAD has no idea the bass it is now sending to the sub is in the T2 that it was ignoring ing in LARGE front mode.

When I had listened to T1's at the audio store on NAD's (T758 and T787) with fronts set at LARGE, stereo mode was too dull on bass, and EARS mode had too much, vs the perfect balance I had heard earlier when they were powered by a stereo pre-amp/amp. At that point, I was very concerned whether I could get a good, balanced input from my NAD T757 to T1's (or T2's), and was leary of purchasing T1's and then being either underwhelmed in stereo mode, or dealing with almost deafening bass in EARS mode..Well, the dilemma is over. NAD receivers are perfectectly suited for playing Triton 2's, as long as the Tritons are connected to LFE/subs, and the fronts are set to small, 120 HZ crossove as AUDYSSEY wants, so the deep bass is routed to the Triton's massive sub. I suspect with T1's connected and AUDYSSEY rerun, it would recommend SMALL for the T1's still, but with a 100 HZ crossover, which is where the T1's crossover is.

I'm back to strongly wanting T1's now that I have a way to drive them om my NAD. I'm still going to install the NAD 2 channel amp I ordered to take some load off the AVR.

I'm now going to try the same "SMALL, 120 HZ crossover setting for the fronts in multi channel modes, sub still on... ain't learning as you go fun???

Maybe AUDYSSEY recommendations re front small vs large with sub on aren't so far off (at least that's true on NAD receivers)?

Rick

I just tried the multi channel modes in front small, 120 HZ crossover, and they are maybe a little better ( tad more bass). I'm leaving all settings in front small, 120 HZ crossover for now. It must take some power load off the NAD also, since all channels now crossover to the T'2's subs for bass below 120 HZ (fronts) or 80 HZ (all lother speakers, as before).

I have no idea why any of that would be OK or necessary - but the bass management and processing that goes on in receivers today is becoming more of a mystery every time new models come out.

I use my Triton Twos in a music-only stereo system so I have never experienced any of these issues (my HT setup is Aons and ForceFields). You would certainly expect an analog bypass to eliminate all the variables, but perhaps analog bypass is missing on many of the newest digital receivers? And digital source players have their own setup menus too (for analog outs), so bypass at the receiver may not even do the trick. It has been my experience that the only way to be sure is to use the full range stereo analog output (the analog outs of a CD player or DAC), direct to the amp (or through a receiver with true bypass). If that sounds right, we know the problem lies elsewhere. If there's no issue with the sound in that setup, the receiver's processing and/or settings have to be the issue.

Update: Well, it's now a Triton 1/2 cinema system. After listening to Triton 1's three times at my dealer, I couldn't resist and ordered a pair. What to do with the T2's? They're now moved to the surrounds.

The setup just got done yesterday, and consists of Triton 1 fronts, Triton 2 surrounds (all with LFE, sub on, LARGE), a Supercenter XL and Invisa 525 rears.

The former surrounds, Invisa 525's, are temporarily "retired", waiting on a decision about adding ATMOS. It's powerd by an NAD T757 AVR, with the fronts amped by an NAD C275BEE, and the four LFE leads from a single sub pre out assisted by a CE labs AV400 distribution amplifier to avoid signal loss.

WOW! I haven't finished balancing yet, or tried it on challenging movies/DVD's (I expect with 4 Triton sub's at work, there'll be plenty of bass), but right "out of the box" the Triton 1's are so immersive, detailed, smooth... I run out of superlatives. I heard detail and nuance on several favorite CD's that I've never heard before. And the bass!!! I'm now not bass shy in any mode. And that's without any breakin to speak of.

The Triton 1's sound absolutely great and room filling all by themselves in direct stereo mode, but I also tried letting all the big boys play together in enhanced stereo mode, with the Supercenter XL and/or Triton 2's dialed back to let the T1's play the main role. I have to say there isn't a way to play it that doesn't sound great. ALL the speakers blend in perfectly with all the other speakers. I'm so glad I went 100% Goldenear all around. I could close my eyes and believe I was in a great concert hall. My wife said on first listen "That's the best sounding music I ever heard in my life". She later was listening to some music on our desktop with upgraded speakers and asked "Can't you stream it to THOSE speakers?" (Goldenears), which I did, and the music just came alive.

The whole system blends together and works so seamlessly. My hat's off to Sandy and the whole Goldenears team!! What a fantastic array of products, and so perfectly matched together.

Rick

WOW!!!!!! Rick,
You got me drooling over here, that must sound AMAZING!!!!!!
I am seriously JEALOUS!!!!!! Well done Dude!!!!!
Please tell us more as you get it really set up and broken in. My system with 2s in the front, 3s and 7s in the rears and a SC X center, has to be a little brother to yours, and it sounds great. I know what you mean about all around integrated sound playing so well together.
AWESOME!!!!!
Keep the reports coming, please.
And Enjoy!!!!!
God Bless,
Wayne